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Longasc · Jul 24, 2009, 07:36 PM // 19:36

Yeah, voice acting is the shiz... does not cost that much money, does not make the game any better, but it is way cool. This is why SW:TOR is going to tell you some stories while wasting your potential playtime with some blabla. As if I want to read or listen to a novel when I could make my own story when playing MMOs, but well. :>

So OK, GW2 might be subtitled "Blighted Empire(s)", and the next WoW expansion is probably named "Cataclysm".

Looking forward to more exciting news, but can it get any better? SCNR.

beanerman_99 · Jul 24, 2009, 07:49 PM // 19:49

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Originally Posted by 4thVariety

I am sure D3 and GW2 will go along nicely. Neither has monthly fees and most people do not care that much about grinding. The only question is really which one you buy first.

The Old Republic is a tougher decision though. It's all about how many hours is that game storywise and how many months of subscription does that translate to. Again, grinding it is not as compelling. Hopefully it does not end up being a super-expensive solo RPG in which you may ignore the fact that the other things on the screen are real people. Bioware will have to prove first that they not only can enter the MMO space, but also create compelling co-op play. Something ArenaNet has the edge on both competitors.

D3's edge is the franchise name among hardcore gamers and the easy to handle gameplay.
GW2's edge is the co-op play and the competitive costs.
Old Republic's edge is Bioware's story telling abilities and the franchise name among everybody.

I agree with everything you say. My time is precious now that I have a wife and child so my gaming time is extremely limited. Although I want to rush out and buy all 3 of these games upon release, I just do not have the time to play them all. If they are released relatively close to each other I will have to do my research on the forums to see which game I am willing to shell out money for and devote my limited time to playing.

Diablo 3- well, what can I say, I was a Diablo 2 addict. I spent way too many hours replaying the same thing over and over and over, HOPING for a good drop with my Magic Find loaded character. The gameplay got boring but the addiction to get that good dropped kept me playing. I have to ask my self: Am I willing/able to be that addicted to a game again? If D3 has the same type of drop rates on uber items then the answer will be a solid NO. I don't want to finish the story and then waste all my time faming the same monster over and over hoping for an Elite item to drop.

-So unless there are major changes to Diablo 3 compared to Diablo 2 I just won't being buying this because the other 2 options are much more appealing to me.

Old Republic- I have been a Star Wars fan since day one of the release of the original Star Wars movie.( yes I am old) I have been waiting for a great Star Wars based MMO to come out. When sony released their MMO Galaxies I waited and read a lot of forums and decided there were too many negatives and things missing from the game (fun being one of them) and decided not to waste my time and money on it. Bioware has made such great games that I am hoping they finally do the world of Star Wars justice. BUT I will still wait to see other players reactions before I would buy it.

Guild Wars 2- What can I say? I love playing GW1 so much that this is probably the one game I would buy the day of release. I know Anet's dedication to their game and know the incredible work they put into it. I know there will be differences but I trust Anet enough that I think I will be happy with the changes.

So for me, if all these games come out at the same time....My money will go to buy Guild Wars 2. My time and money is too precious to buy something I would not be happy with a few months down the road.

/my 2 cents

Lonesamurai · Jul 25, 2009, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Buster

It is going to be a pain for gamers if they have to choose between The Old Republic, Diablo 3 and Guild Wars 2 if they all release around the same time. I If was Arenanet the day after Aion releases I would start giving Guild Wars 2 some major marketing time.

Why? SWtOR is pay to play, GW2 is pay once and D2 isn't even an mmo

Cacheelma · Jul 27, 2009, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by Gigashadow

I think they do care. Look what happened with Warhammer Online; about 1 week after Warhammer Online announced its release date, Blizzard announced WoTLK's release date to be 3 months later. WoTLK was rushed, and ended up shipping with zones like Crystalsong that didn't even have any content in them. After WAR's release, Blizzard came out publicly about how they were looking at implementing certain features (which WAR had) such as queueing for BGs from anywhere. The lead WoW designer also talked about some of his poor experiences in WAR regarding grouping, pvp, and public quests. After WoTLK released they also made public statements about how people who had given the reason: Warhammer as leaving for WoW, had mostly returned to WoW. Previously they had never commented about competing games, yet suddenly there was this huge burst of commentary about WAR.

When WAR released in ~August, about 3 days after I canceled my WoW account for reason: Warhammer Online (they did bother to put that option available in the Why You Quit survey), I received an invitation to the WoTLK beta. I don't think that was a coincidence.

So you're saying Blizzard did care about Warhammer Online. That has NOTHING to do with whether they care about GW and Anet or not. So Ctb's points still stand.

Amnel Ithtirsol · Jul 27, 2009, 02:04 PM // 14:04

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Originally Posted by Agar

Guys trust me on this

Anet is delaying info about GW2 only because of Aion (same parent company remember?) Wait for alot and when i say alot i mean ALOT of info after Aion's release.

Also check this out

http://twitter.com/arenanet/status/2744882630

mmm, interesting theory.

It would indeed be in NCSoft's best interest. They need their current MMO in the spotlight so any news about a free-to-play that may (or may not) steal potential monthly subscribers will be kept hidden for as long as possible.

If that means killing off a profitless, stale game like GW then so be it.

IlikeGW · Jul 27, 2009, 02:07 PM // 14:07

"@Tr0nc3k Yes, there will be some news about GW2 later this year.1:27 PM Jul 20th from Seesmic in reply to Tr0nc3k"

Right, how many years have they said this? They're trying to be incognito and generate hype but instead they've made promises over and over and are moving more into the failed media campaign of something like DNF.

Mordakai · Jul 27, 2009, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

So you're saying Blizzard did care about Warhammer Online. That has NOTHING to do with whether they care about GW and Anet or not. So Ctb's points still stand.

Blizzard would not be where they are today if they did not at least care about their competitors... talking smack about them is something different.

But, as has been argued "ad nauseam", Guild Wars does not directly compete with pay-to-play MMORPGS.

I doubt Blizzard will be out directly campaigning against GW2, like they did against Warhammer Online. Actually, I'm not sure why Blizzard even mentioned WAR directly, it's usually not a good idea to mention competitor's, because you are diluting your message. (You'll notice many ads saying "those other guys" rather than mention their name.... you don't want to give them free advertising.)

Of course, they are always exceptions.

Rocky Raccoon · Jul 27, 2009, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by IlikeGW

"@Tr0nc3k Yes, there will be some news about GW2 later this year.1:27 PM Jul 20th from Seesmic in reply to Tr0nc3k"

Right, how many years have they said this? They're trying to be incognito and generate hype but instead they've made promises over and over and are moving more into the failed media campaign of something like DNF.

When are you and others who espouse the same opinions over and over going to give it up? You are all acting like jilted lovers, who after the romance is over go out of their way to denigrate their former love. There are way more facts that GW2 is in the works and will be released than to the contrary.

shoyon456 · Jul 27, 2009, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

When are you and others who espouse the same opinions over and over going to give it up? You are all acting like jilted lovers, who after the romance is over go out of their way to denigrate their former love. There are way more facts that GW2 is in the works and will be released than to the contrary.

I'm sure what the other poster was commenting on was Anet's lack of PR or communication to the GW1 playerbase. Most of us are very certain that GW2 will of course eventually come, but the general dissatisfaction with Anet at this point brings people to call into question the very existence of it.

EX: Campaign every 6 months - That didn't last long

Anti grind philosophy - last time I checked, I cant get into a HA group cause I'm not ranked, but I cant get rank until I win in a group a few times (although, this is more due to the game getting stale)

Anti grind philosophy - Ursan and PvE title linked skills that will prevent an individual from joining a group until they get their rank up

Broken farming - Shadowform, they buffed it this time LAST YEAR, and it is still an overly efficient form of Speed Clearing all sorts of "elite" areas

GW2 website, news, beta, etc... by the end of 2008 - Still haven't seen a single screenshot and its halfway through 2009

High quality support continued for GW1 while GW2 is produced - Bless Linsey's little heart for working day and night, but that small team recently opted out of even producing a July skill update

More open about the update process - Other than removing heros from GvG/HA and making new henchies, we don't know what "PvP love" really means

The fact is, I think people and myself would be really understanding of some of the neglect GW1 has gotten, if we could see anet still had magic fingers with GW2. Right now, it just seems as if Anet can't manage a game they already have, and doesn't care what their current players think about it.

EDIT: I could mention the XTH deal, but it doesn't matter as much as the other issues, but it is yet another indication of anet's pattern dealing with GW1 and their PR.

Buster · Jul 27, 2009, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Why? SWtOR is pay to play, GW2 is pay once and D2 isn't even an mmo

Because wether it is a mmo or not you are ultimately competing for players free time. Its the decision all gamers make, "What game am I going to play with the hour or 2 I have for game time." So I don't see alot of players playing for each game then dividing the time between each game. Maybe some have alot of time and they can play 2 games but for those who work usually stick to 1 mmo because they have less free time.

FoxBat · Jul 27, 2009, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by Buster

Because wether it is a mmo or not you are ultimately competing for players free time.

Only subscription based games really have this problem in large quantities. Plenty of people can buy D2 and play normal mode just once or twice, get bored but still think they've gotten their value of it. Similarly you can just breeze through the gw main campaign once or twice and be done with it. This is fine for the companies because they already got your basic $60. They can make more off of microtransactions or secondary accounts from the hardcore base, but those guys aren't the sole marketing focus.

WoW and the like really aim for hooking people with that $15 a month. Since most gamers are unwilling to pay that for more than one game at a time (and maybe two max), subscription-based games really are competing for player's sole attention.

Amnel Ithtirsol · Jul 27, 2009, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

I'm sure what the other poster was commenting on was Anet's lack of PR or communication to the GW1 playerbase. Most of us are very certain that GW2 will of course eventually come, but the general dissatisfaction with Anet at this point brings people to call into question the very existence of it.

EX: Campaign every 6 months - That didn't last long

Anti grind philosophy - last time I checked, I cant get into a HA group cause I'm not ranked, but I cant get rank until I win in a group a few times (although, this is more due to the game getting stale)

Anti grind philosophy - Ursan and PvE title linked skills that will prevent an individual from joining a group until they get their rank up

Broken farming - Shadowform, they buffed it this time LAST YEAR, and it is still an overly efficient form of Speed Clearing all sorts of "elite" areas

GW2 website, news, beta, etc... by the end of 2008 - Still haven't seen a single screenshot and its halfway through 2009

High quality support continued for GW1 while GW2 is produced - Bless Linsey's little heart for working day and night, but that small team recently opted out of even producing a July skill update

More open about the update process - Other than removing heros from GvG/HA and making new henchies, we don't know what "PvP love" really means

The fact is, I think people and myself would be really understanding of some of the neglect GW1 has gotten, if we could see anet still had magic fingers with GW2. Right now, it just seems as if Anet can't manage a game they already have, and doesn't care what their current players think about it.

This post sums up my last 18 months of frustration very very well.
Can't really add anything more to this.

Buster · Jul 27, 2009, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

Only subscription based games really have this problem in large quantities. Plenty of people can buy D2 and play normal mode just once or twice, get bored but still think they've gotten their value of it. Similarly you can just breeze through the gw main campaign once or twice and be done with it. This is fine for the companies because they already got your basic $60. They can make more off of microtransactions or secondary accounts from the hardcore base, but those guys aren't the sole marketing focus.

WoW and the like really aim for hooking people with that $15 a month. Since most gamers are unwilling to pay that for more than one game at a time (and maybe two max), subscription-based games really are competing for player's sole attention.

Wether it is subscription based or not you are still competing with the time gamers have to play. It has nothing to do with money.

Calvar Draveir · Jul 28, 2009, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Kadatta... remind me to take a screen of him when I find him in GW2. You know since he's the first non-dragon or god that we know the name of in GW2. Ah well, he'll be one of the most loved chars once the game comes out, just cause of that.

Vel · Jul 28, 2009, 06:59 PM // 18:59

I don't expect any GW2 info till the holidays.

As far as buying the games are concerned, I always feel it is mostly based on nostalgia. For example, I have every single Final Fantasy Game. Did I play each one of them a lot? No.

Similarly, I had Diablo, played it a lot. Bought D2 and then LOD on the day of release. I still remember the queue at local Circuit City (now extinct) to get the first copies of LOD. <lol, I bet I prolly TK'd a few drops from some of those people in the queue>. So, I am pretty darn sure I will buy D3 on the day of release to re-live those moments.

Same applies to GW2.

Tahlia Tane · Jul 30, 2009, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Most of us are very certain that GW2 will of course eventually come, but the general dissatisfaction with Anet at this point brings people to call into question the very existence of it.

Did... did I just read that correctly?

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Most of us are very certain that GW2 will of course eventually come, but the general dissatisfaction with Anet at this point brings people to call into question the very existence of it.

Because if there's very few info about a game that is some time away, it could mean it doesn't exist!

No, really. Seriously?

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

EX: Campaign every 6 months - That didn't last long

Well they're working on a new game... makes sense to me.

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Anti grind philosophy - last time I checked, I cant get into a HA group cause I'm not ranked, but I cant get rank until I win in a group a few times (although, this is more due to the game getting stale)

This is an attitude of players that ArenaNet can't do much about except get rid of the rank. I totally agree that this kind of elitist attitude ruins the game.

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

Anti grind philosophy - Ursan and PvE title linked skills that will prevent an individual from joining a group until they get their rank up

I don't ever recall any people being rejected from a group for not having a high enough PvE title rank.

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

GW2 website, news, beta, etc... by the end of 2008 - Still haven't seen a single screenshot and its halfway through 2009

The plan was to do public testing somewhere in 2008, like they did public testing early in the original Guild Wars. They've decided that they would do public testing in the same way most MMORPG's do; by having a test very close to release.

Questioning the very existence of a game because you haven't had enough info for your tastes is just being plain obtuse.

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

High quality support continued for GW1 while GW2 is produced - Bless Linsey's little heart for working day and night, but that small team recently opted out of even producing a July skill updateit.

They said they would support the game, I don't know what 'high quality support' means. Guild Wars is an old game. Is it really that surprising that you don't enjoy that much anymore? How many games do you end playing as much as Guild Wars and still enjoy it?

TottWriter · Jul 31, 2009, 01:51 PM // 13:51

I guess I can understand people getting pretty frustrated at the lack of information - whether there was a problem or not, progress is without a doubt slower than was at first intimated. But to be honest, I think the only mistake ANET have made was to give a date for the beta at that tauntingly initial stage of the game's development.

I mean, it's already been said in plenty of threads how many years it took to develop other games, and how little information had been released by this point in their various cases. we know ANET had to let the proverbial cat out WAY earlier than any same games developer would have wanted - where they really boobed was giving us a sold date for the Beta testing. Even working with their previous developent model they should have been more cautious than that.

I can't say I'm annoyed at ANET for not supplying me with information about the game - sure I want to know, but that's because I'm nosey. You have to admit, we all are really. (unless you're not at all interested in GW2) ANET aren't rolling over and giving us our information and screenshot sweeties, and we're all happily throwing paddies and complaining.

Now yes it has alienated a proportion of their fan base. The annoyed people probably won't decide not to buy it though, and the speculation discussions are keeping the awareness of the game alive at a point where normally no one owuld even know about it.

However beneficial or not the initial reveal turns out to be in the long run, at this point they are actually up on the competition, because they already have cast-iron future buyers (Those of us who have already declared our intention to buy it), where other games have projections. Sure it sucks to be us, but if you're in finance for the GW2 division, you're probably rubbing your fingers with glee at least once a month.

Thalador Doomspeaker · Aug 17, 2009, 08:41 AM // 08:41

I doubt, that "Blighted Empires" is the true title of GW2. I'd say that it's GW2's next campaign/expansion. As Konig mentioned it earlier, there's no other empires on the continent of Tyria, aside from the Krytan, which doesn't seem too corrupt/decayed/blighted. I think Blighted Empires will be our "ticket" to Elona and/or to Cantha. Palawa Joko's new empire would fit for the the 'blighted' adjective, and from the Movement of the World we know, that Cantha has been entirely cut off from the other continents.

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In the year 1127 AE, Emperor Usoku, successor to Kisu, took a firm hold of his nation. He raised the Canthan military, spending millions in gold to arm his troops, and then swept the countryside. He defeated the Luxons and the Kurzick, incorporating these disparate people back into his nation. Usoku unified Cantha behind a strong national identity and began to drive out all non-humans. His regime was ironclad, tyrannical, and fierce. Those Canthans who did not agree with the emperor's dictates were given no choice but to leave their homeland, seeking refuge and sanctuary in Elona and Tyria.

As a result, Cantha became extremely isolationist. Once Orr rose from the ocean, those tendencies were reinforced by an inability to safely sail the western seas. Any ships venturing near the Strait of Malchor are sunk by the black ships, then dredged from the ocean floor by the Orrian dragon and commandeered into service. Thus, completely cut off from Kryta, Cantha vanished entirely. Travelers, refugees, and even Xunlai agents residing within Tyrian [sic] heard nothing more from Cantha.

Sporadic sailors have washed ashore on the southern coast of the Maguuma jungles [sic], but that is the only evidence that Cantha even exists past the cataclysmic event that cut it off from Tyria. It can only be assumed that Usoku's successors continued his dictatorial, isolationist rule, and that Cantha continues beneath the iron fist of the emperor, as ever.

Well, the Empire of the Dragon doesn't seem "blighted", but I bet that a lot has changed since the last informations arrived from its distant shores.
Again, it's a specualtion but the title does not square with the empire(s) found on the continent of Tyria.
Although, it's possible that the title is refering to the domains of the Ancient Dragons.

QueenofDeath · Aug 17, 2009, 10:07 AM // 10:07

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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai

Why? SWtOR is pay to play, GW2 is pay once and D2 isn't even an mmo

Perhaps you better look up the definition of MMO. D2 is as much of a MMO as GW and any other MMO out there. And if you want to get really technical GW isn't even a MMO by their own designers words. They call it a CO-OP RPG nothing anywhere close to an MMO by your definitions. Anywhere a mass gathers and online and can form a group together can and is considered an MMO.

Lonesamurai · Aug 17, 2009, 10:21 AM // 10:21

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

Perhaps you better look up the definition of MMO. D2 is as much of a MMO as GW and any other MMO out there. And if you want to get really technical GW isn't even a MMO by their own designers words. They call it a CO-OP RPG nothing anywhere close to an MMO by your definitions. Anywhere a mass gathers and online and can form a group together can and is considered an MMO.

Congratulations, where in my sentence did I mention Guild Wars? I said Guild Wars 2, which will be a free to play persistent world MMO, unlike GW1, which wasn't